Get Out Of Your Comfort Zone

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We always hear people say, “Get out of your comfort zone,” yet it is always easier said than done. Eric Sprinkle, former swift water rescue instructor for the US Air Force and the founder of Adventure Experience, convinces us otherwise. He says we need to take a step beyond the safe space we have created for ourselves and learn what we are capable of. He talks about the benefits of taking risks and challenges, trying new things, and going towards life’s adventures. Eric believes we can grow just by becoming a little daring, taking one step at a time towards our goals.

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Get Out Of Your Comfort Zone

I was back in Boston. It was my first trip back in 2019. I left my sunny home in Florida with temperatures of 70 degrees to go to the freezing cold climate of 26 degrees. No worries, I was prepared. It’s all about layers when you have to go up north, especially at this time of the year. I did miss the snow because they were supposed to get a foot of snow, but I got out. Thank goodness for that. All my peeps in Boston, I feel for you guys, stay warm. You are all happy and smiley because the game was all over the news now. That is all you hear about. It’s all about the playoff football games from this call to that call. I loved both games. They both went into overtime. They’re both exciting. The news and the sportscast will be talking about these games for quite some time.

I went to an NSA of Central Florida meeting. That’s the National Speakers Association. We had a great discussion at this event. It was my first time joining the group locally in Florida. I want to give a special shout out to them because they welcomed me to their group. I met some great people. Thank you, NSA CF, National Speakers Association of Central Florida. You are fabulous. I met my daughter for lunch. This is the life. I live close to the kids now, so I get to see them more. Over the last few years, when the kids move out and you’re not that close, you don’t get to see them that much, but now I do. Now, I get to see my little babies. As you all know, I got three of them.

It is Martin Luther King, Jr. Day. It’s the day where we look at how to make the country a better place for people. That’s what this day means to me. It’s all about inclusion. It’s a day that means you do what you think is right. You go after what you think is right. You fight for things that make this country a better place for all people. When you think about it this way, shouldn’t every day be that kind of day? A day that we want to make things better. Shouldn’t every day be a day where we include all different types of people that come in all different shapes and sizes?

Shouldn’t every day be a day where we look within ourselves and find a way to make ourselves better? The answer to all of those things is yes. What are we going to do about it? What steps are you going to take to make that happen? To make yourself a better person, to improve your health, to eat healthily, to try something new, to find a way to help someone in need, to put aside your differences and listen to somebody else’s point of view. I also want to shout out to all the government workers that are struggling through these tough times. When other people can’t put aside their differences to find common ground, my prayers are with you all and your families. These are real struggles that people are going through right now.

The one thing that makes my heart happy is to see how people come together to help those in need. I’ve seen it myself and it’s fabulous. Thank you for pitching in. It’s all over the news where people are doing things to help other people and that is what we’re all about. That’s what we need to do every single day and now is a perfect reminder of that. What did we talk about in the last episode? We talked about bad bosses. I thought I would talk about that because it gives us an opportunity to take a step back and think about how we operate every single day, whether you’re a boss or not a boss. The things that we talked about are interactions with other people. When I posted on Facebook that I was going to talk about bad bosses, people responded with real-life stories that they’ve gone through in their lives. Plenty of you out there has dealt with bad bosses.

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You can think back at a time when you might not have been at your best. You personally may not have done the things that you think are right. It happens. The key is to strive to be the best that you can be every single day, to learn from your mistakes and figure out what you need to change. What do you need to do differently to make yourself better? People don’t wake up in the morning and think about, “I can’t wait to go to work today to piss off three people.” That’s not the way we operate. When you think about it, people don’t leave their jobs because they don’t like the company. They leave their jobs because they don’t like the way that they’re being treated. Think about what you can do to treat other people well and then expect the same in return.

When you think about the things that bad bosses had in common, these are typical things that we should be looking at within ourselves every day. The first thing is all about communication. When you can’t talk to other people, when you can’t talk to your boss, when people don’t share the relevant information that you need to be successful, when you get yelled at or cursed at, you stay away from them. You’re worried about what they’re going to say back to you. Those things hinder your ability to be successful. If you’re a boss and you don’t have good communication skills, take a step back and think about what you need to do to get them. To operate effectively in our world, communication is the key to success. Every day, we see more and more instances where communication breakdowns cause major drama. I hate drama. I am not about drama.

Another thing that we talked about in terms of bad bosses was managing by fear and intimidating others. When a boss threatens you, they may say to you, “You better do this or I’m going to fire you. You’re going to get in trouble,” that is not a way to operate. You can’t be successful when you do that. One more thing we talked about was micromanaging. You hire people to help you to do things. When you go back and watch them like a hawk and you’re breathing down their necks, you’re not giving them the opportunity to succeed. These were several examples. My point is you’ve got to deal with all different types of people and you’ve got to figure out how to do that. Now, we’re going to talk about how do you get out of your comfort zone.

My guest is Eric Sprinkle. I met him at the National Speakers Association. Eric is a former swift water rescue instructor for the US Air Force and the Founder of Adventure Experience. Eric speaks about the benefits of risk and challenge and getting out of your comfort zone. This is exactly why I wanted him on my show. He doesn’t just speak about it, he puts his money where his mouth is. Eric is an avid adventurer, from summiting active volcanoes in New Zealand, swimming with sea turtles in Guam and kayaking among glaciers in Alaska. He’s seen and done it all and he impacts people firsthand over and over again. I thought this is a perfect time to have Eric on the show because it’s new year’s resolution time. We’re beginning the year and now is the time to think about what you’re all about. Eric, I’m excited to have you on the show. How are you?

Carolyn, I am so excited to be here. Thank you so much for recognizing Dr. Martin Luther King Day and for stepping out of the comfort in Boston. Good for you.

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Comfort Zone: Take charge without taking over.

 

Thank you. You are out there pushing people to the max. On my show, I talked about New Year’s resolutions. The statistics for New Year’s resolutions is about 75% of the New Year’s resolutions are given up on. LA Fitness is packed now but next time, those machines are all going to be open. If you’re out there, don’t worry, you’re going to get a machine quickly. What was your New Year’s resolution this 2019?

Carolyn, I am so easy on this stuff. I’m more towards the spectrum of those word of the year people. I’m just going to be flexibility or resilience. I’m the idea guy. In 2018, a lot of what I was doing was to take charge without taking over. That was what I was processing. I stay flexible at the beginning of the year. That’s more me. What about you though?

I’m the same thing. I don’t just wait for the New Year to come up with this brand-new plan. I think of it as, “What do I want to do differently this year than I did last year? Where do I want to focus?” A lot of what I thought about myself is, “Where can I have the most impact on people’s lives? What can I do to help people get out of their comfort zone and try new things? That’s what I’m focusing on this 2019. I don’t understand this. You deal with this all the time. Why do people give up so easily? What is your experience with that, especially in these extreme scenarios that you deal with?

Instinctively, we all recognize that everybody is going to make these big grandiose plans at New Year’s or birthdays. Those are a good time for it. All those mistakes, all those things we tried and failed on, it’s all in the past. You all get a new start. Everybody takes it like, “Let’s do this. Let’s do it some way. Let’s see better.” It’s so emotional, Carolyn. It’s this emotional incentive and we all know feelings fade. Emotionally driven incentives are not enough for lasting change. They’re going to fade away by the second or third week of January.

I watch what I eat all the time but I was the processed food queen. I focused on those hundred-calorie snacks and I felt that I was not as healthy as I needed to be. I finally decided I’m going to take that step a little further and look towards healthy eating. My kids are pushing me because all of a sudden, my kids transitioned. One is vegan and one is just a vegetarian. The other one focuses on healthy eating but not as strict. I got pushed in that direction and I want to say that I do feel so much better because I’ve created a habit of change. The emotion was gone but you have to create that habit. How do you help people create those habits?

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It’s that focused committed goal in our heads to do that. We plan the work, we work our plan. That’s how we get to change with slow baby steps and these big grandiose plans like, “I’m going to lose 30 pounds. I’m going to look amazing.” It happens. We get these calls. Sometime here in the spring, swimsuit season is coming. Everybody is back at LA Fitness. Everybody is on those machines again and trying to make it happen. It’s not about the emotion. It’s about the mindset. It’s about having these realistic committed goals that we’re going to attain with a plan. That’s how we get people to it.

You own the company Adventure Experience. How did you get into that type of business because that’s so unique?

Everybody is like, “You take people mountain climbing.” No, we’re about a way of life. We are not Outfitters. It has an insurance and liability, but I’m about cheating people. Adventure is out there. You do not have to climb Mount Everest. You have an adventure impact. You do not have to ski across the great continent of Antarctica. Adventure can hit you and impact you in a beautiful way anywhere and anytime if you’re just looking for it. That’s what we’re about at Adventure Experience. With books and photos, I go out and do speaking. It’s an amazing way to live.

People sometimes feel that the way that they can create that adventure is by doing something wild and crazy, but it is all about making adventure part of your life. That’s the biggest differentiator from your company. It’s creating those habits and making people want to change.

If it’s bold, if it’s challenging, if it’s risky, those are the elements of adventure right there. You will find them climbing a mountain. If you do it outdoors, I believe the outdoors has a multiplying effect on that impact. Anytime you do something bold, anytime you do something risky or challenging, you’re going to get a benefit from it. It’s going to make the next challenge easier. It’s going to get you outside that comfort zone. You’re going to learn about yourself. You’re going to learn about what you’re capable of. You’re going to learn your limits. Knowing those limits, you’re going to have the confidence to work up to those limits in the future. The benefits go on and on. I am all about what I talk about, living a slightly more dangerous lifestyle.

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Comfort Zone: Everybody’s comfort zone is different because everybody’s experiences are different.

 

The thing is, dangerous to one is very different than the danger to somebody else. It’s very individual, which makes it even a little bit more challenging. You have to understand what’s important to each individual that you work with.

Everybody’s comfort zone is different. Everybody’s experiences are different. The ways we mitigate these risks is through our experience. You have an education, you have training and you have a skillset. You know how to use tools that someone else doesn’t. That means that your risk profile is different.

That’s the key. Everyone’s risk profile is different. Finding out about each one’s personal needs is the key to success. Why do we get stuck in our comfort zone? This is the big question because many of us love to know what to expect, love to live or get through the day because we know what to expect. I’ve worked with so many people over the years. You deal with them all the time, but they get stuck in today. I’m always talking about challenging the status quo. People listen and they get pumped up for that night and then they go back to doing the same old the next day. You deal with this. What have you witnessed? What are some of the things or challenges that you see that people are getting stuck in the status quo?

Comfort zone gets a bad rap. Your comfort zone is not a bad guy necessarily, so long as you’re okay to step outside of it. That’s the real key here. We wake up in our comfort zone every day. That’s our world. Unless you’re on Survivor and you’re Carolyn, then okay, that’s not so much waking up in your comfort zone. For most of us, we’re in this comfortable little spot in life where we know what’s going to happen. We can predict what our day is mostly going to look like and that’s a very safe and comfortable place. It’s not where you grow, it’s not where you learn. Change is the thing that’s not natural. Our comfort zone is the most natural thing in the world. Change is not natural. Let’s look at who we’re representing, Dr. Martin Luther King. Change the not natural. That’s where we start to feel a little risky. We start to feel a little anxious. For a lot of people, anxiety is not what they want life to be about. Let’s curl up and let’s just get comfortable in that place that I know and love. Why should I even change? Maybe you don’t like your comfort zone, but it’s still your comfort zone. Why should I even leave it?

People want to know what to expect except when they’re going to the movies. On Friday the 13th, people are swarming to the movies and we’re all going to scream at the exact same time and we know it. People want to know what to expect. I go around and I talk to people about change and how do you get yourself comfortable with being uncomfortable for a period of time. Anytime you learn a new skill, you’re going to be uncomfortable for a period of time. It’s just getting you through that small period of time until you get to perfect it and that becomes your norm. People still pull away and people still find it difficult to make that leap and to take that step. Change is out there though. That is the key. The only constant thing in life is change. People have to figure it out.

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At the same time, you’ve got these two tensions coming into play. On one hand, the older we get, the more experience we get in life. The more we know the best way to do it, the most efficient way to get to the store. We know how to do it so that it’s going to work best. We know the favorite toppings on our pizza, so why change? We know the best way and that is true. Why make your life less efficient? You already know the best way. That’s where some of the danger comes because we get used to that in all aspects of life, “I know the best way. I know the only way. Why should I be open to change?” Sometimes there is a better way. That young Millennial in the office who says, “Every application would be better if we could have it on our phone,” that might not be true all the time. One or two times, they might be talking about a good idea and you’ve got to be open to it.

You can pick and choose your comfort level. I was listening to your examples of pizza. I don’t try new things when it comes to food. That’s just who I am. I’m a very picky eater. My pizza is only going to have cheese on it, period and the end. There are no ifs, ands or buts about it. I didn’t start eating hot wings and spicy foods until I was in my 40s and then it opens up a whole new world. You can take that leap and you can try new things and find that, “It’s not as bad as I thought it would be. My mouth is not on fire and I like this.” It’s getting people to take that one teeny little step forward.

It’s in our DNA, Carolyn. We want unexpected. We want twists and turns. It is hard-wired into our being. Nobody is going to go see a movie with no twists and turns. It’d be the most boring thing ever. We want the prince to fight his way through the haunted forest and kill the fire breathing dragon, then he gets to rescue the princess. There’s got to be some twists and turns. There’s got to be something that overcomes. We need that in all aspects of our life. That’s what makes us feel alive. That’s what brings excitement. That’s what makes us smile. You’ve got to do hot wings every now and then, Carolyn.

You talked a little bit about risk and people get nervous when you use the word risk because in people’s minds, taking a risk has a consequence. Are there actual dangers of not taking risks and staying within your comfort zone?

Risk can have many different consequences. Sometimes good, sometimes bad. It’s a risk so you don’t know what you’re going to get. You look on the other side of the spectrum. Why don’t I just stay in my comfort zone? This is something that I talk about in my talks. This idea of comfort and safety or is it more the illusion of safety? I get a little down on helmets. Everybody riding bikes is wearing a helmet. Think about what that helmet protects you from. Is it you keeping you safe or is it the helmet keeping you safe? If you take a spill, that helmet is going to protect that area on top of your head from blunt force trauma. It’s not going to protect you from skinned knees. It’s not going to protect you from banging up your wrist or twisting it around. It’s not going to protect your shoulder. It’s not going to protect your neck. It’s not going to protect you necessarily from a concussion.

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Comfort Zone: We all have the power to change, but we won’t make it happen until it becomes a must for us.

 

We had year after year of NFL lineman being told, “Put on this helmet, you will be safe.” The simple fact is we’ve got this new problem, CTE, chronic traumatic encephalopathy. It’s the idea that you can hit someone over and over again. At some point, their brain is going to look like people who are coming from Iraq who had been serving in forward operating areas. They’ve been tangling with IED and explosions over there and their brains looked the exact same. This is a problem. It’s the illusion of safety. That’s where you get into trouble in this comfort zone buying, “What is it that keeps me safe? Is it this helmet?” No, it’s you that keeps you safe.

Everyone knows what level of risk they’re comfortable with taking. We know that the helmet is going to provide us with some level of safety, but it’s not going to be the end-all-be-all just like a seatbelt in the car. You’d be dumb not to put it on because statistics show that it is there to prevent you in certain circumstances, but it’s not going to prevent you in every single one. It’s calculated risks. Those calculated risks that we take to push us out of our comfort zone are the things that we need to take a deep dive into and look into because that’s how we grow. That’s how you expand your experiences. With your background and the things that we’ve been talking about, calculated risks and getting people to take that step is so critical. You’re speaking about it just as I speak about the same concept in a different way because you’re using your experience and I’m using my experience. People resonate with both of us because of the different experiences.

When you’re talking about calculated risk, that’s exactly right. There is a formula for calculating risk and one part of that formula is consequences. Those consequences are bad. They’re tragic, they’re awful or they’re minimal but don’t forget that’s not the only part of the equation. There is another variable and that is potential. What is the potential for me to encounter those consequences? That’s where everything comes together. Your potential is different and my potential is different from somebody reading right now. We all come at things with our different experiences. We mitigate risks differently with our education, with our competence. That is what makes all the difference.

When you think about how people get out of their comfort zone, it’s all about what they perceive those risks to be. People get comfortable. When you think about it, we do things in life to make us comfortable. We get jobs that give us the things that we want. We think of great service and people are always asking us if we’re comfortable. We’re programmed to want to be comfortable. Now we’re telling people, “We don’t want you to be comfortable anymore because we don’t want you to be too comfortable.” We’re asking people to put themselves into scenarios where maybe they’re going to be scared, they’re going to be uncomfortable. To top it off, we all have this good cop, bad cop conversation going on in our heads all the time. How do we ensure that the good cop wins?

People are signing up for Survivor. They are crying out for something that will test them, something that will show them what they are made of. We have an all-volunteer military man. It is inside of us to want to know, “Do we have what it takes?” There is no better place than serving in the US military to answer that question. Signing up to go live on a beach to be sleep deprived. There’s never enough food, there’s never enough water. You signed up for this, you volunteered for this. We all want some adventure in our lives. We can’t flourish in our comfort zones. We instinctively know that. We want to bring something else in.

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You bring up Survivor and still, there are hundreds of thousands of people each year that apply for this show. I get people sending me like, “How did you get on the show? What do you need to do? I want to be on the show so bad?” I look at them like, “That was me. I was doing the exact same thing.” You used the phrase, “Can you do this? What are you all about? How far can you push yourself?” Those are phrases that instilled that need for adventure, however we define adventure in our minds. Those are the things that push us to take those risks, to take that step, to create our own adventure. We all have the power to change, but we won’t make it happen until it becomes a must for us. Everyone has their own definition of what a must is. What is so important to you that you will fully commit to making it happen? You’ll transition it from an emotional attachment to a habit on the way you work. Are there some tips that you can give your adventure seekers out there to help them change, Eric?

There are so many great options out there. You mentioned good cop, bad cop. We have this inner dialog that is warring with us on. Anytime we want to do something that makes us anxious, that might involve some risk, you better believe there is something in us that is telling us no. If you look at military survival checklist, you’re all going to see the same general things like food, water, shelter, fire. You’re going to see all of those. For the most part, if you look closely, a lot of them have the same thing at number one and it has nothing to do with any of the hard skills. You’ll see that most of those military survival checklists start with PMA, positive mental attitude. They have found that the critical ingredient is you have to drive coming, not from the emotion, not from the environment around you. It has to be something internal that you have committed to overcoming, moving through, and moving past something. That is where that drive comes from and that is where the incentive comes from. You want to get that mental attitude together. Your good cop, bad cop you talked about.

I remember living through on Survivor, the first rainstorm. It was just like, “What have I done? Why am I here?” It’s freezing. We’ve got no way out of this rain. It’s nonstop. I looked at this season where they had the first week or two of nonstop rain and I think to myself, “Thank God that wasn’t me.” You have to find that inner strength. You have to find that mental toughness to make it through. The good cop, bad cop is part of your everyday life. When I’m in the gym on the treadmill and I’m tired, the good cop is saying, “Come on, you can do it. Don’t get off the treadmill. You want to go to that next mile. Reach the next mile.”

The bad cop is like, “What’s the big deal? You did a couple of miles already. What is that extra mile or two going to do for you? Just stop. It’s not the end of the world. You’ll pick it up tomorrow.” I can think of a time when that bad cop won. It was on Survivor when I was holding onto that pole for an hour. I took my mind off the prize and I let my mind wander for just a second and I dropped off the pole. It still haunts me to this day. Every time I do a speech, I talk about the fact that your mind is so powerful and you can figure out what it is that will make you tick and you’ll be able to push yourself to that next level. You’ll also be able to stop yourself from taking that step.

We’re talking about some hard skill detailed ways that we can move outside of our comfort zone. When you’re standing on a narrow ledge 28 feet above a river in Colorado and the guiding instructor saying, “Let’s go ahead and jump off,” that emotional incentive we talked about that comes with New Year’s that’s pushing you to the gym, it slowly dissipates away. It’s the third week of January and you’re like, “Why am I going to the gym?” They’re working in reverse on that ledge. It is this emotional craziness saying, “Stop. Let’s think about this. Let’s take another look at this.” One of the things that you run into is the paralysis by analysis. I’m going to look at the situation from this angle and then from this angle, maybe from this angle again. Our brains are prediction engine. They want to get a handle on what’s about to happen. If you’ve never stood 30 feet above the river getting ready to jump off, they can’t do it and they cycle into that endless loop, fight, flight or freeze.

They tend to go with freeze and you sit there and be like, “What am I doing?” One of the ways around that is very simple. You need to have that plan. You need to be committed to that plan. The way you put it to work there is you go ahead and you get ready to take action. Plans your foot. You look down, nothing below you, no kayakers upstream that are floating to where you’re going to be. Once you’ve assessed that everything is safe, jump. You get that action. You start moving like baby steps or big long jumping steps, whatever you want. You get moving and you do it. Do not hesitate. Do not take one more look at it because it’s just going to kill you.

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Adventure Devos: The first devotional written exclusively for men with a heart for risk and danger

I lived in Kansas City and they had this haunted house type thing. It’s the best haunted house that I’ve ever been to. At the end of one of the houses, there’s an option to jump out of a second story window onto one of those big air balloon things. I’m with the people from work and were all excited. You get to the window and your heart is palpitating. You’re like, “Should I? Should I not?” One of the guys is like, “Ready, set, go.” He goes to the window and he stops back and forth and never jumps out. It’s funny that all the guys turned around and slid down the slide and all the girls jumped out of the window. We did but it was all about exactly what you said. One, two, three, we’re doing it. Here’s the way I handle it. If I scream while I’m going down, it just makes it so much better. That was a tip. If you’re doing something crazy, just scream it out and call it a day. Eric, I want to thank you again for sharing your insights, your accomplishments and your tips with us. I know that there’s one more thing that you have, your book, Adventure Devos. Can you tell us a little bit about that?

The book I’m so proud of just came out. It’s a biblical devotional. All the illustrations are interactivities like hiking, biking, mountain climbing, being chased by ravenous wolves. It has tons of fun. I’ve got people reading it as a devotional. I’ve got people reading it just because the stories are fun. It’s one of these books. If you were looking for something that’s going to challenge you to change or improve your life in 2019, this book is not only going to do it, it’s going to dare you to do it. If you have ever done those little old leadership tip of the day calendars or whatever, they always have a little poem or pithy saying at the bottom. We do dares. We dare you to implement the stuff you’re reading. We do a lot of stuff like giving up something for one week; coffee, tea, chocolate, corn chips and silly stuff like that.

Carolyn, before I leave your show, there are going to be people out there reading this blog and they are on board with you. They’re on board with what we’re saying. They want to do something. They want a challenge. I want to offer it to them. I want to offer them a dare. My name is Eric Sprinkle from Adventure Devos and here is your dare. If you want to do something outside your comfort zone, here’s what you’re going to do. Carolyn will give you a timeframe, but I want you to call into Carolyn’s live show sometime in the next episodes. She’ll give you the number. Carolyn, give them a timeframe. I want 100 people calling your next show. That’s it. If it’s making you a little nervous right now, that’s good. That means that’s normal. That’s perfect. Call into Carolyn’s show live sometime in the next two or three months.

We love the audience and that is a fabulous dare. Get out of your comfort zone. It’s okay to be on the radio. It’s a great place to be. You’re sharing your insights with other people. I love that dare. Thank you again for joining the show. We’ve talked about getting out of your comfort zone, pushing people to new heights, and it all starts with mindset. I love the challenge you proposed for the listeners because it changes their mindset. Do something different. Share something with us. This show is all about you.

This show is dedicated to our audience to push you to do things differently, to challenge the status quo. Follow me on Instagram, @CarolynRivera14. If you’re ready to ignite your will to win, to enhance your leadership effectiveness, to just reprogram your mindset, just go to www.CarolynJRivera.com. Send me a message. I love helping people. That is my passion. Helping you achieve more than you ever thought possible, that’s my specialty. Remember, belief, commit, achieve, that’s the secret sauce you’re looking for. Step out of your comfort zone. Make those calls. I want to hear from each and every one of you. The number to call is 866-451-1451. Thank you to Eric Sprinkle. I enjoyed having him on the show. This is Mama C, signing off.

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About Eric Sprinkle

CRS 32 | Comfort ZoneEric Sprinkle is an Adventurer and Speaker who has traveled the world, summiting active volcanoes in New Zealand, swimming with sea turtles in Guam, navigating the man-made canyons of Japan, and kayaking among glaciers in Alaska. Closer to home, he most recently worked for the US Air Force as a Swiftwater Rescue Instructor and Whitewater Guide Instructor.

For years, he led participants on Class IV whitewater adventures through narrow gorges and breathtaking canyons, witnessing firsthand the power of adventure in people’s lives. To challenge and exhilarate, but also to open their eyes to possibilities in themselves they never even imagined.

That’s right, no need to visit Everest – adventure can impact you every day, and everywhere.

“Are you slowly dying of boredom at work? Feeling off-track in life? Disengaged with relationships? Because I’d love to share my 10+ years of insights into exactly how risk, challenge, and adventure can help improve your everyday life, leaving you a healthier, happier person in your work, at home, in your relationships… Well, you get the picture.”

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